Odd Data From AP V3. Running a little lean, safe?

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    Currently running a v3 AP in my 08MS3GT with 81k miles. Trying out up to STG 1 93 tune until I get HPFP upgrade within the month. HPFP actual pressure isn't dropping below 1600 ever at WOT. However actual AFR is running at a 12.2-12.35 with boost at WOT. Stock intake system and everything. I cleaned up the MAF and it made no difference. I have heard that AFR should be between 11.4 and 11.7 at WOT.

    Went back to STG 0 tune and car ran really lean at 13.5 or so until it normalized in the 11s at 4000-5000rpm and then after 5000 ran really rich down to like 9.5 at 6k rpms.

    Tried safe mode as well and car ran consistently a little lean at a 12.05 at WOT.

    Completely new to tuning and Id love help interpreting these results. If I need to run it in safe mode until HPFP that totally fine but it seems that because pressure isn't dropping on the HPFP that might not be the issue? Stage 1 reads it can be all stock including the HPFP. Would love to donate to this forum given some good information.

    Logs: All taken same time with the 3 different tunes. Not sure why stage 0 reads that throttle wasn't at 76 it was to the floor. Attached down below of the knowledgeable people wouldn't mind taking a look.

    Thanks for any help offered!
     

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    are you going WOT. you log shows a max of 60% on the stage 0.

    make sure to turn on your commanded throttle possition
     
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    The Stage 0 map is load-based, and the ECU uses throttle level to control load, that's why you're seeing such variety there. Alternately, the Stage 1 and Safe Mode are boost-based, and the 76 shown indicates your throttle plate is wide open. Also, definitely the internals in before turning up the wick--always better to have more fuel than you need than not enough.

    What are your LTFTs, especially at idle? Lean at WOT can be unmetered post-MAF air entering the system. I'd check for intake leaks. You may need to replace the MAF o-ring. Also, have you recently worked on the car and then this happened, or was it spontaneous? Also, I'd add Injector Duty Cycle and Accelerator Pedal Position to your logging parameters.
     
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    Yeah I am going WOT. Just did stage 0 this time after a longer break in period with the same results. Showing 99% on the AP but not going above 60 in my datalog.

    Should I just run safe mode until internals? Or is stage 0 fine? I guess its running lean before 4.5k because its not going WOT? I just read up on load based tuning but Im still not quite sure why it restricted the throttle. I currently want to find the safest map to drive with until I get the HPFP upgrade and whatnot.

    I will get a reading on LTFT in a moment. I haven't recently worked on the car but I JUST installed the AP. Tried the stage 1 93 tune due to reading up on it and it supposedly being safe with stock CDFP (my pressure never has gone under 1600psi) but then I noticed it running a little lean. Only thing Ive done is clean the MAF a few days ago. Ill add those parameters.

    Thank you for your help.
     
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    You shouldn't be lean at all with the "pedal to the metal," regardless of logged throttle position. That's dangerous. I'd personally look for a hardware issue/leak. What is the targeted AFR in those various maps? If it's 11.6 and you're hitting 12.2-12.3, you definitely have an issue. Even on ethanol mixes, it's usually not a good idea to be consistently in the 12s on AFR when WOT.
     
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