Working on offering cnc ported stock intake manifolds. Opinions needed.

Discussion in 'Adapted Performance' started by Adapted_Performance, Sep 12, 2016.

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Which would you choose?

Poll closed Sep 26, 2016.
  1. CNC ported manifold raw aluminum finish all posts intact $150 (+ $150 refundable core)

    7 vote(s)
    53.8%
  2. CNC ported manifold Powder coated all posts intact $225 Wrinkle black (+ $150 refundable core)

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  3. CNC ported manifold Powder coated choice of color all posts intact $250 (+ $150 refundable core)

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  4. CNC ported manifold Powder coated choice of color & posts shaved $320 (+ $150 refundable core)

    4 vote(s)
    30.8%
  5. Optional relay mod for eliminating check engine light

    9 vote(s)
    69.2%
  6. Combo kit with gaskets included

    8 vote(s)
    61.5%
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  1. Adapted_Performance

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    Cnc ported stock intake manifolds are coming! I have the tooling and tool paths pretty much worked out.

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    The manifolds will go on my cnc mill in a special fixture. They will be cnc ported out to about 95% and require some minor hand polishing to finish them. The throttle body opening will be ported & polished by hand.

    This will offer 100% consistent porting work with little effort on my part to turn out perfectly ported manifold. (lots of effort and cost to develop)

    The ports will match our AP Super Tig thermal gaskets - Our gaskets match the stock head ports. The oem metal gasket is oversized and porting the stock manifold lager than the stock head is pointless.

    I have already begun testing and fine tuning and am nearing the point where I can offer a product to the community.

    I have 3 more stock manifold cores on the way to do some more testing but should have a final product soon.

    The major benefit to porting the stock manifold is to remove the vtcs rod / butterflies and enlarge / smooth the ports. (especially cylinder #1 with the blockage)

    More material is being removed from cylinders #1 & #4 And less from #3 in an attempt to even out the flow imbalance.

    Just have some survey questions for options that you guys may be interested in.

    I'm curious which option would be most popular.
     
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    Any porting to where the throttle body bolts up? Will there be an option to choose which posts to delete (ex: I have a CP-e FMIC and need the passenger post but not the driver's side post)? Option to block off EGR and one of the vacuum ports? Will this eliminate all the VTCS plastic stuff/ mounting points/ fill the hole on the top of the IM?

    My IM has the VTCS deleted and the blockage removed, but no other porting. Any idea what type of gains can be had by further porting?
     
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    Any bench testing of the mani after porting to see the balance. I am glad you are doing this as we lost relentless.
     
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    I would like to see flow imbalance fixed rather than any hogging of the runners, but I'm interested to see your results since I'm not keen on the plastic manifold thing.

    At one point Javy from Relentless told me that they used to port the throttle body opening in the beginning, but stopped because it was affecting idle. Since you're still testing, it might be something else to look for.
     
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  5. monkey.bones.007

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    I've totally got a manifold sitting in my garage waiting for a PNP. I thought with Relentless shutting down I was screwed.

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    There will be bench testing of what would essentially be the production manifold. I have another manifold going on the mill this weekend. I've ruined 2 manifolds so far(intentionally) in trying to get this perfected.
     
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    The standard option would have the vacuum port for the vtcs welded shut. But the options for deleting posts would include removal of the 4 mounting points for the black box and either one or both of the tmic posts.

    I am open to offering pretty much any custom option for filling / welding and deleting anything you want on a manifold.


    As for the throttle body, the opening itself will not be enlarged, but instead some of the rough casting that bulges out just beyond the flange will be hand ported and polished.

    Currently I want to see how the demand would be for some of the more basic option manifolds. I am trying to see if I should build up a base inventory of manifolds that can ship out no waiting.
     
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    Based off of testing from when I hand ported a few manifolds. I know pretty much where to remove material to balance things out better.

    As for the throttle body, the opening itself will not be enlarged, but the rough casting just beyond will get some love.
     
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    Cnc porting is working beautifully. I was able to run 2 manifolds back to back and both came out perfectly. I am only awaiting some supplies to come in so I can finish these 2 up and post more photos.

    The mill takes about 4o minutes per manifold getting the ports cut to shape and opened up. It will cut the port openings to 100% perfection on every manifold.
     
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    Ports just off the cnc - Prior to being hand polished smooth / deeper porting work will be done by hand. Perfect gasket match.
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    Cylinder #1 intake ports untouched shown with our thermal gasket. Notice how much material is removed.

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    After - gasket was slightly shifted in this photo.
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    That spare IM I’ve had in the garage is looking useful again.. nice.
     
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    I agree, now I have a reason to send the spare out.

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    I still plan to offer this as a service. I have to devote a few more hours to the project and get some data before I start offering these. Hope for early spring on this project. I keep reworking the cnc program so It requires minimal hand porting for clean up. The more work I can have the machine do = the lower the cost will be for you guys. So far I have pretty good results with my last test when I switched to a round end mill and not a flat end mill. Makes the cuts smoother where the ports taper so it really wont require any hand porting to the runners, just to the throttle body. But the throttle body only takes 2-3 minutes with the right tools.
     
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    Nice. I finally might get a port mani if the price is right.
     
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    Any updates on this gem?
     
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    I would definitely be interested in this with that relay option as well.

    I have an extra mani laying around just waiting.
     
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    I have a manifold waiting as well. I emailed him a couple of days ago but haven't received a response yet. His facebook page and website haven't had much activity since Christmas. His facebook said he was going to have a sinus surgery (this was weeks ago). Hopefully he is ok, and Adapted Performance will be up and going again soon.
     
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    I'm curious as to how this turned out also
     
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    I received this response to my email:

    "We are still finalizing the intake manifold porting program. I hope to be up an running by the end of march with it.

    I'm committed to making this process & product as perfect as can be.

    The main thing I am most proud of is that by using cnc the port shape is 100% perfect and not over ported as I see all the time when looking at what others do by hand.

    You actually hurt flow when the ports of the manifold are much larger than the ports on the head. Sure you get great flow numbers from the manifold itself, but once you bolt it up to the cylinder head, then everything changes.

    I'm trying a couple more revisions and waiting for some more flow testing before I can comfortably offer this service to the public.

    Steve"


    Sounds good to me. I can wait a couple of months. It's not like the CS manifold will be released by then or anything, they still have "2 more weeks".
     
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    so... I still have a spare manifold... do you have a good cost model?

    Thank you!
     
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