Intake Manifold

This. And also, can we please get a ballpark price? Or is it too soon b/c you're trying to address connecting w/ various IC setups?

 

Don't know how yours is routed. Hot pipes routed by the power steering pump are pretty much not going to work. Cold side of any fmic can be made to fit.

Correct. Injectors, pump (if needed) fuel lines, regulator (if needed) will be separate. We're evaluating offering it, but there are already good options out there.

I'll work on getting this number, but take it with a grain of salt. There is no way for us to know the total weight difference since piping changes one way or the other.

$300 shipped for the adapter kit without the ST manifold. We're seeing people find manifolds for $45-$65.
TB meth spacer, throttle extension cable, and eventually a coldpipe will be optional add-ons.

 

Would the current ST meth spacer you offer not work in this application? Seems like that's one add-on you already have on the shelf.

 

I'm hoping the price includes the tb plug extension since after all is said and done we'll be looking at almost 750 in parts.

 

Am I just dumbtarded, or couldn't we re-use our MZR TB spacers b/c we'd be re-using our TBs too, right? I wish I knew more about the particulars.
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Mind offering a list of items that came up to that figure for you?

 

sure.
damond adapter: 300
under body hot kit: 280 - 300
various pieces needed for cold pipe changes: 60-100
throttle body plate for meth: 60

while still under the current leading intake manifold maker and the shitty one made by cock penis enterprise, it will take a bit more to make it work. plus, some of us will need to swap the oem one back in for emissions since the egr pipe doesn't go into it.

 

I thought normal coldsides for FMIC setups were supposed to work too. And I already have a TB plate; hopefully it's the same bolt pattern, which I'm assuming is the case because nobody has been talking about ST throttle bodies, etc.

 

From reading the description of the ST meth spacer, it says it is the same diameter as the IM opening, not the TB. Read it and you'll see what I mean.
I don't know how out TB compares, so I am just guessing that perhaps the opening is marginally different.

 

Where'd you get that number from? He said we're looking at roughly $300 for the adapter plate, plus another $50-60 for the manifold...

 

+$60 for the manifold, but still not a bad deal at all.

 

john...........i laid it out a couple posts up. you're scaring me as of late.

 

the tb is on the bottom of the manifold so no. the cold side does need some additional parts as well.

 

Can't say I'd recommend a TB spacer per this thread:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f303/dale-s-meth-injection-fun-pre-vs-196796/

(no offense Damond)

I sold a spacer like two months ago for $40. I would have given it to you. I ended up tapping my stock cold pipe.

I don't see why you need an under body kit honestly. Just modify existing piping, right? Who knows, maybe it'll even fit as-is.

 

it won't. the adapter pushes the fst manifold out further than our stock im. there won't be any room. regarding dales issues, there aren't many, if any, other people that had his issues and most of them stemmed from having check valves fail. regardless, the tb spacer was added in because it will be used by others even if I don't plan on using it.

 

The DM TB Meth Spacer does indeed work with this manifold and piping. Keep in mind, it may not be needed if the manifold spacer is tapped for meth nozzles.

@Faeker is correct, over the top hot pipe routing will not fit unless it is runs somewhat similar to the MS6 CX Racing FMIC kit that goes down in front of the passenger wheel.

 

It will work.

Yes, you can.

You're never going to offend us with real data. I concede that the TB spacer isn't the answer for everyone, but there are ups and down to all options. I've even recommended against port meth injection to some.
We can have a long discussion about why Dale saw what he saw, and how much of it really applies to this manifold, but no need for that here.

Partially right. The furthest point on the ST manifold actually isn't significantly further out than the stock manifold. Over routed piping is going to be near impossible to fit because the ST manifold just doesn't 'tuck in' cylinders 1 and 4 like the MZR manifold does.

 

don't challenge me to make it fit farhan.

 

i may be reading it wrong but im pretty sure he said that you in particular had a small penis if you couldnt make it fit

 

I've seen Dale's post on this too. But saying that because he found it doesn't offer as much knock protection as pre-TB when using a stock intake manifold doesn't necessarily mean it'll be the same as with the EB manifold. Firstly, the stock manifold has a horizontally oriented throttle body and notoriously imbalanced flow between cylinders. Secondly, Dale doesn't use ethanol too. Many of us do, so the octane/knock suppressing issues he experienced may be completely irrelevant to us, whether because of the EB's flow characteristics, or because we use ethanol too. To make the claim that the same outcome would occur, a test would have to be performed with the EB manifold being the only variable. I also love the convenience of mounting, not having to permanently modify my cold pipe, and also supporting @Matt@DM and @Farhan@DM is important to me. I love their products and appreciate what they're doing for our platform.

 

Actually, using 93 in combination with methanol is what made his experiment so effective because it helped show the difference in a really obvious way. Using E85 to cover up the lack of even distribution is a band-aid fix plenty of people use. I agree that the distribution in an EB2.0 manifold could be (should be) different, hopefully better...of course it's hard to imagine it being worse. I hope to be able to experiment with that in the future when I have time.

I was thinking about the logistics of making TMIC fitment happen and I'm starting to question it a little bit. The fact that the stock manifold is metal and pretty damn sturdy is part of how it can withstand the force of a heavy intercooler and hood scoop pushing down on it. I think some kind of bracket would be needed with the EB2.0. Outsourcing that could be costly since three different brackets would be needed (for Gen1, Gen2, MS6), or some kind of adjustable bracket.