[SOLVED] 0V HPFP randomly dies

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  1. Anthony Amador

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    Hey all,

    I'm new to the site so sorry if this has been asked before. ( i searched and couldn't find anything.)
    My 2009 Mazdaspeed 3 is having issues with randomly cutting or losing hpfp pressure, and crazy FT. I randomly get P2178/P2188 at least once a day. My fuel trims will go anywhere from -20 to +20 even while idling.

    I have 0v at my HPFP sensor. It builds pressure fine all day but it will drop to 0 and stay at 0 for about 1 minute then go back to normal.

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    CS Injector seals/New injector o-rings OEM
    New PCV valve OEM
    New spark plugs 1 step colder

    I ordered new MAF sensor OEM, New o2 sensor OEM, New MAP sensor OEM. I also ordered new coilpacks, new recirculation hose.

    I will randomly lose all power, HPFP drops to 0 PSI. 0V HPFP sensor is constant, it never reads any voltage.

    Thanks in advance for any help.
     
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    @Enki

    Stop buying new parts. There is something up with the hpfp
     
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    Let's see an idle log of the issue please.
     
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  4. Anthony Amador

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    I purchased the car used, and it has crappy generic parts. I am replacing all with OEM hence all the new parts i'm buying. I will post a log as soon as i get home.

    Anything in particular i should be on the look out for? I was told by previous seller it has autotech HPFP internals. I do not believe him after seeing all the other cheap parts that were on the car. Fuel pressure maxes out at 2025
     
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    You have to pull the internals out of the pump to know. There's no other way to tell.
     
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    Hpfp voltage reading zero is normal.

    Sounds like your fuel pump resistor may be unplugged or bad.

    Its in the driver side frame rail under the intake. Looks like an HID ballast. If its plugged in, unplug it and jump the connection. If it stays running without the pressure dropping and the far dying thats your issue. If its currently unplugged, plug it in
     
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    Okay i will check once i'm off work.

    I data logged yesterday but was unable to upload as i left my computer at work. I will get it up asap. I just got another code P0192.
    Someone told me it might be my fuel pressure sensor, but it was fine before i replaced the injector seals with the CS seals. There was oil on my injectors when i removed them. My next move is to remove the HPFP and see the internals, maybe the o-rings. I will be ordering the CS internals to replace the ones i currently have regardless as i'm not so fond of the work that has been done to the car by the previous owner. Whenever i drive regular no WOT the car runs good, but WOT it stumbles, and struggles to get past 5k rpm.

    I will check that resistor, but i believe seeing it and it looked very corroded. Would this cause bad fuel trims?

    Again, thanks so much guys i appreciate all the help.
     
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    Hey guys I was finally able to upload my data log. I attached some of me driving to work, and some of me idling.
     

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    Looks like a car with a stock HPFP to me. Make sure you have Accel pedal position in your logs in the future; best to turn on everything for logging and let your tuner tell you what to omit, but for general troubleshooting like this, have EVERYTHING on.
     
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    I'm not sure how to set things for my AP to log. What do you mean by everything on? Also, that's what i figured so i ordered a CS HPFP Internals and O-ring rebuild kit.

    Sorry if this is a dumb question. Just trying to learn how this AP works.
     
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    Okay, so now i'm really stumped here. I'm still having the above mentioned issues except as of today my car will not hold pressure with the engine off and key on. As soon as it turn off the pressure drops to 5PSI. I have to crank the car for about 5 seconds then stop and crank again to get it to start. I'm not sure where to begin. I read from CS that it could be a bad in tank pump, in tank pump filter, fuel pump relay, or wiring. What do you guys recommend to try first?

    I have new HPFP Internals arriving next week, and i'm thinking of just upgrading the in tank pump while i'm there. Any recommendations?
     
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    Installed CS HPFP, replaced my injector seals again (They were leaking from the fuel rail side), Installed AEM in tank fuel pump @Awafrican recommended. My LTFT were good for about 3 days and now they're stuck at -20.88. I will add that i deleted the EGR with a Damond FULL EGR delete, and i removed the VTCS butterflies. The car runs okay, but will randomly die while idling. The LTFT go from -18.88 to -20.88 as soon as the car starts. I'm very bummed, and can't figure this out. I went ahead and decided to replace my FMIC piping with a JBR FMIC piping kit as it seems like some universal crap with some cobb stickers when i took a closer look at my current piping.

    I will update if i find the issue, but i still have codes P2188 AND P2178 on my AP. If anyone has some good ideas where i might begin my search any help is appreciated!
     
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    Stop throwing all sorts of parts at the car. You are snow balling the issue. You keep making changes to the engine with aftermarket parts but arent fixing the core issue which is spiraling.

    Have you tuned the settings for your MAF cal?
     
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    If you did VTCS del there is a vac port on top of the OEM mani that needs plugged where that black plastic box sat. If it's not plugged that car will run like total shit and not idle hardly at all. You can JBweld it.
     
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    Is the car tuned?

    Have you checked for boost leaks?
     
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    It's pulling a ton of fuel so either his evap or mafcalis fucked.
     
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    I understand that, i am not throwing random parts to fix the issue, i am replacing all the cheap parts the previous owner installed. I am replacing these parts regardless. I will stop replacing parts until the culprit is found if that helps.

    Something to note is that when my car first starts my HPFP sits at 0PSI bouncing between 0-400-1400-0 PSI. Once the car is warmed up it runs good and the HPFP reads fine. There is something that looks like a sensor that sits on top of the HPFP and it looks very corroded. The plug seems to work fine because when i connect it i hear a ticking, and when i unplug it the ticking stops.

    Also i have never done a MAF Calibration as i just purchased this car, how can i go about doing that? Do i need a special software? Is it possible to have someone do it over email? I am willing to pay. The MAF is a brand new OEM unit from Mazda.

    I want to tune the car, but unfortunately i cannot find a good tuner in the Miami,Fl.

    The black box is still on the intake manifold, i just removed the butterfly plates, and cut the bar that goes across the manifold. Do i still need to remove the black box? I also left the sensor plugged in for the VTCS. I will attach a new data log i took this morning once i get home.

    I understand that i might be going at this the wrong way, and i am all for changing my route. I'm 100% open minded as i am not the most knowledgeable on this platform. I appreciate all the help guys/gals!
     
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