[SOLVED] Hypertech tuner

Thanks for the thoughts everyone, I appreciate it! I suppose for me to understand better I’ll need to become more educated about tuning.

 

I know many of you are down on the Hypertech, but I think I’ll give it a shot once I finish the build and my clutch is broken in (assuming the engine actually works... ).

One question I have is about the 0-60 throttle restriction. My understanding is that it is because of MS3 traction issues. Does this not apply to the MS6? Would there be any other reasons to not disable the restriction (increased likeliness of LSPI perhaps)?

 

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There is a reason those sell for 20 bucks and NOBODY ELSE is using it.

 

I get it ... Hypertech == bad

At the same time, no one here has really expressed any negative issues vs. a stock tune. And right now my options are stock tune and Hypertech, and that’s not going to change anytime soon.

 

What yes they have too much timing and poor Afr.

 

The stock tune is garbage. The hyper tech is more aggressive version of garbage. Weve spelled that out quite clearly for you. Because the car will be slightly quicker, doesnt make it better.

 

Lol this is funny. Everyone and anyone is telling you to get rid of that junk. Didn’t you just rebuild your motor?

I know if it was me, having a freshly rebuilt motor...what’s $500 for an AP? Another 250 for a custom tune? I mean...you didn’t rebuild your motor with oem rods and pistons right?

 

I wish my BATs were as dense as your brain.

 

In b4 part out

 

There was a Hyperfail thread on MSF of pages of bad tunes and ZZB. So...don't.

 

Saying that the stock tune and the Hypertech tune are both are garbage is not spelling anything out clearly since options are stock and Hypertech. I realise that you and others very much want me to get a custom tune but that’s not possible.

What would make things clear is someone saying why I should stick with the stock tune over Hypertech.

$750 might be nothing for you but it isn’t something I can justify right now. So it’s either stock or Hypertech, and if you have an explanation why I should stick with stock I’d love to hear it.

 

Lets put it like this:
If your engine blows on the stock tune (likely depending on oil you use) then the grief you will get when trying to get the dealer or whoever to pay for it will be significantly less than if you had a "tune" on it.

 

Use a credit card man. It just ain’t worth it. But to continue this back and forth some, here’s your “spelled out answer”

I can see you read it. But somehow missed the message. If the stock tune will kill your motor because it sucks, why put a MORE AGGRESSIVE VERSION of that same garbage on your car?

 

Ironically this comment is exactly why I can’t automatically believe what all of you say. I sincerely appreciate those who are willing to help and share what they know, but from my end of the screen it isn’t always possible to distinguish between people who think that the above is a sign of intelligence and those who actually have useful experience. So I use many sources and ask lots of questions because I value multiple perspectives.

But when people express that you either get a custom tune or you’re basically an idiot loser it’s not possible to take it seriously, especially when most of the people commenting haven’t analysed the thing they’re criticising.

As I said, it’s not possible.

I didn’t miss the message Rather, I’m asking questions to find out if those who criticise the Hypertech have spent time genuinely understanding what it does and the real world implications of it and that it’s equally garbage to a stock tune and therefore more dangerous since it’s more aggressive, or if they simply think that anything less than a custom tune with an AP is garbage. I’ve read more opinions of OTS tunes than what people have expressed here, and so I’m doing my best to gather information so I can make an informed decision within my limitations.

I’m not expecting anyone to pay for my car. I bought the car a year ago for $1300 from a private party and have been working it up myself (with some information from helpful people on this forum and from others I know).

 

With everything being said in this whole entire thread let me explain one thing.
Majority of the people replying to you here have been on the platform for YEARS. I’m talking 10 years+. You can decide who and what you want to believe but if this was a survey...well survey says not to bother putting a hypertech tune on your car if your options are stock or hypertech.

There’s a few guys running versatune which is actually a useable option outside of Cobb and it’s much cheaper.

So before you think we’re all just Cobb fanboys...that’s not the case. Cobb simply works the best. No real argument to be had on that. Same with a custom tune. No argument no comparison. Ots tunes are not good. Simple.

 

Dude you asked why it's worse we've answered your question multiple times as to why it's bad even given specific reference to timing and Afr what more else do you want?! that makes it more aggressive.

Stock tune has blown engines based on just installing an intake or poor oil like enki said. We have given you specific reasons as to why it's bad even within tuning logic.

 

I already told you on the first the ignition timing is way too high for pump gas. Using shell doesnt mean the quality of your 93 is the best.

New jersey has better quality 93 octane than PA. Ohio and michigan have better quality 93 octane than most states. In the midwest etc.

If your choices are stock tune and hyper tech. Just stay stock tune. Yes the stock tune sucks. But the hyper tech tune is worse. It doesnt get any clearer than that.

Every one giving you advice not to use the hyper tech has been around long enough to know how bad the hyper tech is. Period. You already said you dont understand tuning lingo. So we dumbed it down as simple as possible and now you're resisting good advice because youre not understanding the simplistic version of it.

If your heart is set on the hyper tech, then fine. Dont keep asking for advice when you ignore the advice because you dont like what youre hearing/seeing

 

Look I gave you a solid explanation on Off The Shelf maps and how they work. The Hypertech I have little knowledge in however I will tell you as a master automotive technician with 15+ years of experience that in the performance world, especially tuning; you get what you pay for.

Anything cheap is not gonna net you the power and reliability of something with years of research and backing such as Cobb, Versatune, Motech, Megasquirt, Haltech, AEM, Hondata the list goes on.

I have seen first hand stupid ebay chips inline with MAF sensors cause dumb issues and cause a car to run worse than it did before. I dont trust anything I see online in regards to this thing will get you 50 plus horsepower cause in the real world conditions vary and so do dyno machines.

Now I will say the a AP can get you 50 plus horsepower with a CUSTOM tune. Each car runs different, will withstand different ignition timing and so forth. All anyone here is trying to do is to help you not blow up your car and cause yourself further headache. While their comments and approach may not be the best, their intentions I assure are good.

 

I do appreciate everyone’s input. I’m simply querying to find out more information.

Yes I remember about the timing and AFR, but perhaps what I’m really asking is who here (or where is there someone who) has fully analysed the Hypertech tune to be able to assess what it’s doing? I’ve read on other forums where people say it stabilised their problematic AFR, another saying they monitored for knock retard for months (out of paranoia) and had no issues, etc.

Hypertech claims they do hundreds of dyno runs over the course of weeks or months making small changes to a number of elements (not just timing or air fuel ratio), and then more weeks with real world driving analysis. I’m not saying they’re telling the truth and perhaps their work is rubbish, but they’ve been in business a long time.

By saying any of this I’m not meaning to criticise anyone here, but I don’t know any of you and I’m just trying to gather information. I wouldn’t ask here if I didn’t consider your input valuable.